And yeah, the book was about what Holly and her husband were doing. Or the DA who brought the charges would lose their next election lol. I imagine its a pretty isolating position as he has lost his sister to the kidnap, his mother to the grief, and his father to his own agenda. The facility was expanded in 1996 and now includes 18 . It could also explain that Alex could not respond until days into his captivity, finally giving him a break in this regular prescription as he regained a scrap of his ability to think. Those three movies do the normal thing of stacking information so that as the plot progresses we feel more knowledgeable and empowered about whats going on. The story is great. Was that really Keller or was that someone else, and was she confused because of all the drugs she used bc of Holy. But also the idea of the maze itself and of trauma, this infinite thing. But its done in this subtly disorienting way to make you have a sense of, Waitwho was that guy and then hopefully figure it out and have an ah-ha! To 247 Sports in 2016, Jones said, "I speak Chinese. The rest are just kind ofdoing their part? Hardcover. These factors lead me to believe that the two girls, especially Anna, are potential abusers-to-be, because of their limited speech, the abuse they suffered, and the nature of inevitable violence in the cyclical maze, where abuse encourages more abuse. I never caught what was said in the newspaper. Great minds. Regarding Christianity, we hear the Lords Prayer. Largest Database of Taylor County Mugshots. A 1987 newspaper article about Barry mentions there might be a serial child abductor and the FBI are involved in the case. In Joys flashback theres a note saying to complete all the mazes in the book. Will never see the world again. The whole concept of a maze is that people become lost in the convolutions and complications of the structure. They accept what their instincts tell them and both end up playing the hero. LONG VERSION: Holly and her husband were religious zealots until their young son died of cancer. So many twists and turns. Damn, its such a good movie. Someone who seems like the kidnapper but isnt the killer broke into both our homes and took our kids clothes. Especially after Loki pretty much blew off Graces report about someone coming into their house. It opens with a shot of a snowy forest, where a deer quietly noses around for food. Loved the movie and this thread, and its not like me to concentrate for two hours on a film. Our inmate population consists of people awaiting trial for violating federal laws or those who have already been convicted of committing a federal crime. Three things that we see come up again and again throughout the film. I especially appreciate that you explained the connection of religion & faith-I never thought much of it and Im somewhat serious about my Catholic faith myself, well, until those fundamental issues arise that you have raised ofcourse! Ive had that happen and few times and it sticks with you. So when Loki discovers Alex, Holly is making Keller her prisoner. But how the movie explores religion and puts Christianity in conversation with other religions/spiritualities is pretty incredible. Except, Keller uses wood and his carpentry skills to imprison and torture Alex. Really appreciate the comment. July 10, 2021 Investigation Discovery's 'The Lake Erie Murders: Blood in the Water' chronicles the brutal killing of 10-year-old Holly Jones in Ontario, Canada. one question. Theres the world within a book shes reading that was written by her ex (Jake Gyllenhaal, funny enough). But sometimes, by shear grace, all the good and bad complications of what people do and think come together to form a hope-filled outcome. Theres an extreme cognitive dissonance that Franklin struggles with. In Christianity, water is a major theme, playing a vital role in baptism and the idea of purity. Sat, 21 Jun 2003. Wow, that was so helpful. I imagine it would have taken some time to make the connection to Hollys husband, if it was ever possible to do so. Its that whistle he uses to signal Loki. The van is clean, but the forensic guy does say that if there was a struggle they would have found some fibers. So it could be something like that. Its complicated and not effective. Communication with everyday people would be like communicating with an alien. So while Grace may seem like a simple name, its not. The album finishes with the very first line from the first song: So I was takin a walk the other day Its a line that begins a situation where Kendrick gets shot and killed. Youd worry that hed maybe keep trying to do take kids. Prisoners is a 2013 American mystery thriller film directed by Denis Villeneuve from a screenplay written by Aaron Guzikowski. So its unlikely she suddenly appeared and seized the girls. Thank you for your insight Chris! | The 10-year-old girl was raped and murdered by Michael Briere, her dismembered body eventually found where the 35-year-old software developer had disposed of it, in two bags floating in Lake Ontario. Bob Taylors house has mazes drawn on the walls. Thank you very much for writing this I came here trying to find something about the prominence of trees in the movie, because I noticed them but could not really figure it out. Hey Mary! After she took care of you all this time? Holly Jones was abducted in her neighbourhood after walking a friend home from school. In a sense, this is what Holly Jones and her husband carries on tooby killing children. Other questions. That idea is expressed in Robert Frosts Birches and also the Blackfoot myth Why the Birch Tree Wears the Slashes in Its Bark. Bob Taylor survived his abduction but cant move beyond the trauma of it. Is it half full or half empty? I loved the movie and really appreciate you breaking it down like that. I wanted to just add one thing! When Loki brings Taylor in, Taylor cant just explain what happened and why. Not everything is clever or meaningful. She had been jailed for trying to post 10.4g of heroin back to Australia in 2000 and pleaded guilty and sentenced to 31 years in jail in 2003. Additionally, this would explain the necklace. In-roads. It made me wonder if he also was carrying around some past trauma. He had no criminal record, not even a parking ticket to his name. Christianity ties itself to notions of faith and Gods grace. Holly could have been in the van. Ill watch again with a fresh mind. 101 Market Street 252-448-7091 ext 222 . in public-policy analysis, UNC-Chapel Hill; master's of divinity . Buddy Holly was a singer songwriter from Lubbock Texas who died after a short 18 month career. Theres a reason that scriptwriter Aaron Guzikowski and director Denis Villeneuve included the scene of Alex yanking the dog off the ground by the leash to watch it choke and kick. So the star on Det. Holly eventually admits to Keller she cant really abduct kids without her husband so hasnt been as active. Theyll each find salvation because of it. Search Criteria: Last Name: First Name: Stick a piece over your mouth and see how ridiculously easy it is to open your mouth. Its a little of everything. Adding to that, Holly probably never reported him missing (wouldnt have wanted police poking around her place), so his name wouldnt have come up when the detectives were checking past missing persons cases for a man who disappeared 5 years previously. Hope that made sense haha! Jones She forces him to drink a drugged liquid, causing him to feel faint. Id need to double check that but the movie is off streaming. about what happened to these girls and you DONT TELL US, YOUR AUNT WILL GO TO JAIL too. How did he get to Hollys house? Though, as the movies ends before Loki saves Keller, that sense of catharsis is something Prisoners denies us. Theres no prints. As well as confusion about who they really whereid also venture to guess that abuse was also a big part of the experience as you also mentionedso a confused prison of the mind. It could provide some backstory about Keller but theres nothing concrete enough (at least as far as Im aware) that you could really point to. We saw him hurt the dog. State Representative Holly Jones, a Republican, represents part of St. Louis County (District 88) in the Missouri House of Representatives. Which is why he ends up taking his own life. We see from your examples (Alex telling Keller his girls cried after being interrogated, and his torture of the dog) that the abuse he has suffered has caused him to become capable of abuse himself. But giving the audience clues that Keller is facing lengthy prison and Alex is going home Well it is quite the opposite in reality. After the police let Alex go, Keller kidnaps Alex. And the girl had been drugged. The other couple was fine, both solid performances. We know he was in the area, in the van. And this guy being a carpenter, someone who turns living trees into objects. Look Up An Inmate . Franklin says and believes that he would do anything for his daughter, but ( like Peter in the Bible who acted cowardly when he thought he would act bravely at Christs crucifixion ) Franklin (who thinks he can play the trumpet, but cant) is not a killer. Its a silly, basic example but the opening of The Lion King is the rising sun. People need people and people need grace. Thanks for the thoughts. Records Dept. To find an inmate, please enter the name OR the ID number, and then click the SEARCH button. Once a loving and religious woman, both Holly and her husband's minds soon took a twisted turn when their son died of cancer. It seems accusatory at first mostly because its confusing. As a carpenter, Keller is someone who destroys nature (trees) and uses the wood to build new things. Superintendent's Fax (601) 664-0782. They recognised them because Bob Taylor breaks into each of the girls houses and steals them. It requires the work of both men to save the girls. So the answer to the question of Did Alex actually take Anna and Joy? is yes. But at the start of the song, theres an intro that concludes with, We gon put it in reverse. Then near the end of the song, Kendrick raps, Pay attention, that one decision, changed both of they lives/One curse at a time/Reverse the manifest and good karmaBecause if Anthony killed Ducky, Top Dawg could be serving life/While I grew up without a father and die in a gunfight. Theres a gunshot and the sound of audio reversing with lyrics from earlier tracks playing backwards. I am very much amazed with the way you see things about the movie and the way you tell them.Just wanted to say thank you. Makes people lose their faith.. That they represent Holly, right, as a tempter. This would explain why Alex was not able to drive the van. Theres an FBI book about a serial abductor who was obsessed with mazes. Doesnt know what happened to him. Im also a bit confused about it. Keller tells Ralph he isnt allowed to leave the house, he has to be an adult stay home and make sure Grace doesnt see the news. Grace completely falls apart in the wake of Annas disappearance, to the point of being non-functioning. I love it that youre so active in the comments and engaging with readers, it encourages me (and hopefully other readers) to revisit movies with new perspectives in mind and discuss further. Keller will take matters into his own hands too! Location: 3794 Highway 468. Keller doesnt get the answer he seeks from all the torture HE did, but by Joys miraculous escape and him making the connection that she saw him at some point. Whats it mean that Keller prays to God to save him from the hole and its Loki whos there? People are complicated. I just think thats the moment when the movie is ready to end. Having a very prominent Christian first name and a very prominent Norse last name falls into place with the different spiritualities working together in the movie, which is maybe why hes the one to save the child in the end. It makes the case about the impact of trauma and that Alex just cant put words to what hes experienced. I also think that Loki foreshadowing his abuse and imprisonment and the boys school that the father ran is another situation that contributes to the prisoners idea. Doesnt every house have duct tape in it? Hi. Prisoners could have presented information in the way most movies dostacking details in a chronological, linear fashion thats digestible and allows viewers to go from a place of total ignorance to a place of complete understanding. So was he waiting outside of his old house for someone else to play with who never came? Seems to me that she couldve just opened the door normally and she wouldve gotten away with it, since Loki was only there to tell her about Alex. I could go to China and be fine, obviously . Ive never read such a detailed and thorough review of a movie (well aside from LOTR-but that has a whole cult following). Loki doesnt have a last name, but we know the meaning of his first name. Pearl, MS 39208. The length contributes to your analysis of the compounding effects of abduction over time, depicted in the varying lengths of how long they spent in the maze Joy seems the most available afterwards, but Anna is more slow to integrate; then Taylor, who is surprisingly capable (has a house, quite a capable thief, etc) while still being extremely myopic and distressed; and Alex, who is the mostly deeply shut off from the world. The soul. Thanks! Denis Villeneuve's "Prisoners" does not go that route. 2 weeks? Crimes Instead, it leaves a few context clues there for us to piece things together. But, yeah, seems to be one of those suspension of disbelief things that has become implicit to the whole artistic form. That would explain why Loki was driving so recklessly to the hospital. I think that Jackman (whom I like) was awful, not believable; art of this may be due to the accent, as the Aussie tried to sound like a Joe Sixpack American. Its a really great movie. There are characters named Grace and Joy. Ive got something to add: The use of the maze not not only serves as a representation of the cognitive dissonance of those abused or references the form of the information as it is laid out; it is also a cyclical device to show the nature of violence (as Kassovitz said, la Haine attire la Haine, or hate breeds hate). Just not anything more than did what they needed. He was a fundamentalist, right? Ill press one step furtherhow do we know Alexs old house is somewhere near the Birchs house? The Birches certainly seemed far more resilient than the Dovers, who were breaking in different ways. I dont know if dental records are in the system. Yeah, Regrading Alex, I guess theres still a lot thats up in the air. The man who pleaded guilty to murdering 10-year-old Holly Jones at a Toronto court Thursday morning fulfilled his "dark secret" when he abducted, sexually assaulted, and dismembered her shortly. Keller Dover wiederum fhrt zu Holly Jones, da er den Verdacht hat, dass Joy dort seine Stimme gehrt haben knnte. Holly bedroht ihn jedoch mit einer Waffe und sperrt ihn in ein unterirdisches Loch . Thematicallybeyond mazesreligion and trees are huge motifs. Holly reveals that after their son died of cancer, she and her husband began making children disappear to wage a war with God. Does Loki represent a spirituality beyond Christianity? Joy and Anna leave the Birchs to find Annas missing whistle. Lets go through the various types that show up. Its too easy to say Oh, well, they were completely messed up because of their own abductions when they were kids! And as you said yourself the whole plot development depends a bit too much on the fact that neither Alex nor Taylor are willing to talk about their experiences. The body had been decomposing for a number of years. Tue 9 Jul 2013 06.45 EDT. Obsessively drawing mazes on the walls because he cant stop reading an FBI agents book about the mysterious child abductor, known as the Invisible Man, who was never caught (and who was actually Holly and her husband). Alias It would also explain why the surviving victims displayed lack of speech; they were so warped by their drug-induced experiences they were no longer capable of communicatingprisoners in their own minds. A character who wears a Masonic ring. When Lokis at the priests house, he sees the mark on the floor where the refrigerator gets moved in order to access the secret door to the hidden basement. Many times throughout the film, theres an emphasis on forests and trees. They see hes down there. So his full name only reinforces the combination of religions. Holly's parents. Perhaps another theme of the movie is communication. A forensic inspection of the cloths however, reveals that the blood belonged to a pig, and then Joy suddenly wakes up. He always closes a case and he said he would find Keller, 2. To be fair, the idea that the clothes may have been stolen is actually never mentioned in the movie. Das Drehbuch schrieb Aaron Guzikowski. Theres a version where he moves the car and sees Hugh down there, and so on. In other mythologies, it varies. But her husband was more complicated. Holly Deane-Johns, 51, was subjected to the awful living conditions while serving time at Lardyao Women's Correctional Institution. holly jones prisoners. Martin Luther No text message will ever replace the first kiss. He is told a third of that should do for a man of your size and that it is her husbands old secret recipe. Excellent analysis! Alex spends most nights sleeping in the RV and does not have many things. He was parked outside of his old house in the camper when the girls came by and got in the camper with him. So yes, the maze stuff in Prisoners is part of the basic plot. Lokis neck is a badgeso along with your hypothesishis god is justice/prison. How do we make sense of the bad in the world? Also, I wanted to add that it is mentioned that Alex had an accident with the snakes. I thought that Alex and Bob had kidnapped the girls and Bob had left Alex to take the fall. Joel Cox, the editor, felt very strongly about it. Rather than the cast elevating in their own way. The number of prisoners held in private facilities accounts 128,300 inmates US has 1,393,975 male and 111,422 female prisoners US Imprisonment Rate is 450 people per 100.000 residents, 847 for males and 64 for females The majority of the inmates - 16.3% are between 30-34 years of age But he is stuck in that child-like mentality and he did know what was going to happen to those kids, like he did with so many others. I didnt find any particularly bad the way you did. There you have it. In-roads arent always necessary, as many artists will use more obvious devices. Barry was kept by Holly, where she renamed him Alex and told him she was his aunt. Popular depiction has Loki as a trickster. They are from USC, UCLA, Columbia, Yale, and Chapman University. The next thing I remember is the detectives discussing giving Holly notice about Alex. Yet he still lives with Holly. Then, they became serial child murderers intent to "wage a war with God" by turning the parents of their victims into grief-stricken demons. In the largest mass commutation in US history, at least . This is the father of Alex or Bob Taylor. I thought, must be good. Alex's uncle left home a couple of years ago after a domestic dispute with his aunt. I assumed that it was Bob and he was referring to when he was captured by the police in the van at the rest stop. This is such a fantastic analysis. I've heard that the Prison is actually closing down. Which can work for some, but not for everyone. Theres a moment in the movie where Loki is searching for clues in old newspapers and he founds a note of a man, a correctional officer, who commited suicide (allegedly) after his son was abducted. Not to mention how tattoos relate to paganism and Norse culture. Thanks. Thanks Chris for your work here! I stumbled upon this essay and now cant wait to watch again. Kidnapping Serial Killer. Their pain turns to anger at God, as such tragedy must have been His will. And now Im reading your second paragraph and youre getting right into that lol. And I also found this thread by Chris by chance. Why couldnt Loki identify the dead body as that of Hollys husband? Holly and her husband, who used to be fundamentalist believers, might have practised snake-handling as part of their faith and would have kept snakes for that purpose. He doesnt have the practical personality to do whatever it takes for a certain resultthats not bad, but in this situation, it makes things complicated. Of any filmmaker ever, hes the biggest beneficiary of audiences not caring about little infuriating logic inconsistencies. Not sure how much I buy into it, but its an example. Enter the letters and numbers from the image: Please note -- this site only provides general search information. Derrick Chambers, Superintendent. The pause on Netflix is infuriating. Moreover, The two victims of the kidnappings, Alex and Bob, are both questioned about the location of the girls. For example, he doesnt say a word when introduced to Joys mother and she hands him photographs of her daughter. The fastest growing independent movie & tv news website! This technique is more common in artsy projects than it is mainstream ones. Rewatched the movie while reading this and you really nailed it. Midway through Prisoners were introduced to the concept of the maze. Welcome to the colossal explanation of Prisoners. And maybe a tad under utilized. You know hes going to be taken out of the hole. Holly Jones 1992-2003 Holly was kidnapped while walking home from a friends house. 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