Replays showed there was no illegal contact. owners passed a rule by a vote of 31 to 1 that will enforce Coughlin's point. In 2012, on the ten-year anniversary of the game, Coleman told ESPN that he did not see Brady lose the ball, and, as NFL refs were trained to do in this situation, ruled it a fumble because that call could be reviewed while an incomplete pass could not. people dont realize after that turnover the very next play would be a 3 kneeldowns and the game over, # This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. The officials initially called the play a recovered fumble, which would have sealed the victory for the Raiders. The fact that so many Raider fans are still this upset tells me that things have evened out for that bad call in 1976. Repeat three to five times. The rule not only changed how referees call the game, but it also altered the trajectory of TB12's 4. This is referred to as the tuck rule because the ball leaving the quarterback's hands is considered a forward pass even if the quarterback intends not to pass the ball, but instead continues the forward motion to tuck the ball back into his body. The Patsies got lucky, because otherwise, the game would have ended right there. Then drop it. January 19, 2022 1:59 pm ET. 4 Reply Jamie_Naughright Ryan Dunleavy. With the tuck rule the entire motion is covered, so there is no room for the ref to screw it up as a judgement call. Gruden was dismissive of Davis' views on the matter, and the subsequent breakdown in relations between owner and coach led to Gruden being traded to Tampa Bay and becoming their head coach in 2002. Fact is, the refs blew that call and then the league tried to justify it by making a made-up interpretation of the rule. I read an article saying that the wrong call was made Sure enough on certain angles you can see woodsons open hand swipe at the ball and missing. From 1999 to 2013, the National Football League used the tuck rule, which was a contentious rule in American football. @marinofreakout, you only show your total lack of football knowledge with this statement. CBS Sports is a registered trademark of CBS Broadcasting Inc. Commissioner.com is a registered trademark of CBS Interactive Inc. site: media | arena: nfl | pageType: stories | Your reasoning is flawed because you are obviously a biased patriot fan who enjoyed rodney harrision and his cheap shots. That being said, this is the NFL and it is what it is until they change it. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Football legend Tom Brady has admitted that his career could have gone very differently if it wasn't for a ruling which went his way in 2002. The rule works; people have a hard time with it because they want to think the 2001 game was ruined by it. I am truly staggered by the impeccable logic and flawless analytical acumen demonstrated by your post. Correct call. Raider Nation should have sorrow about what has happend the past 10 years to a once storied franchise then a loss 10 years ago! The Patriots should never had got that first Super Bowl. What time do NFL fantasy waivers go through? "[11], The Raiders complained extensively that the call was wrong, and that it was made against them because the league had a vendetta against the team, an attitude Oakland quarterback Rich Gannon said was "totally nonsense. ", The Raiders responded to the video on Twitter, saying, "Knew it.". That should have been a roughing the passer call with 15 yards and a first down instead of just a second down. You my friend do not ever need to make another post regarding the tuck rule. remember its the same ref that was in for the ravens vs raiders championship a year before when that fat lose goose broke gannons arm so the raiders would lose It was a call that was made exactly in the context of the rule, an admittedly bad rule which the competition committee has never thought wise to change. There was less than 2 min left in the game when that fumble happened Unlikely the Pats wouldve gotten the ball back. The ball should not have to be loose in the act of passing for it to be ruled incomplete. The Tuck rule should have never came into play. "More than 68 percent of the leagues passes are short throws that target receivers either behind the line of scrimmage or within 10 yards of it. it looked like he was patting the ball to throw a pass not tucking it anyway. What is the tuck rule in NFL and why is it controversial? The QB decides NOT to throw the ball, fumbles it, but its not a fumble. It's not that the tuck rule is bad (that's a whole other thing I'm not gonna go into), it's that the call itself was shit. No team was beating the Rams that year without a game plan devised by Belichick. The tuck rule was a controversial rule in American football used by the National Football League from 1999 until 2013. No waitMost likely the Steelers would have thrashed the Patriots in the AFC Championship gameOh well. But screen passes and checkdowns are relatively common. My problem being they didn't even enforce it right against us, Brady has completed his pass motion, he is not in the middle of it. It would make interpretation way more clear. thats why we have instant replay now. I was young and didn't watch football at the time. It makes no sense to allow a QB to act like he is going to throw the ball, not let it go, then try to pull it back & then drop it in a tucking motion but then get to keep it. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/14/AR2005101401828_2.html. The "Tuck Rule Game." It's a memory Raider Nation knows all too well. That's before and after the LOS so this would mean most passes would be contested on the field. Do me a favorgoogle it and watch the replay. Then, after a 33-yard punt by Walter gave the Raiders a first down on their own 49, a 22-yard reception by receiver Jerry Rice set up Janikowski's second field goal, from 45 yards, giving the Raiders a 133 lead with two minutes left in the third quarter. - Only once the forward motion of the arm is completed, and the ball tucked into the quarterback's body, would a subsequent loss of possession be considered a fumble. Now days it would be a hands to the face (hitting the quarterback in the head) penalty (15 yds) which is a little better than the incompletion I think. Plain and simple. Incomplete pass? Mike Pereira: Time to create an unneccesary headline and go against everything I have ever said when working in the NFL so Fox can pimp me some more. Two games later, the Patriots won Super Bowl XXXVI. As for the Raiders, who are still salty about the call all these years later, their season would have been extended by about one week. 4. And thus a valid call. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Never mind. 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From the tuck rule game in 2002 through to the ineligible receiver confusion in 2015, Bill Belichick's Patriots have continually forced viewers to consult the rule book. Im sure its no consolation to the many Raiders fans around the country.. [13] The Pittsburgh Steelers voted against abolition, while two teams, the Patriots and Redskins, abstained from the vote. If the Raiders pull out the Tuck Rule game, they are probably losing one of their next two games, and doing so in embarrassing fashion. With under a minute remaining in regulation time, Patriots' placekicker Adam Vinatieri kicked a 45-yard field goal to tie the game at 13, sending the game into overtime. It may have taken him a little longer to earn that genius label without that brilliant Super Bowl game plan he devised for the Rams on his resume. Thats what happened. If it is taken out, you have to decide when the forward arm motion stops being a pass and starts to become fumble territory. Tweet text can contain up to 280 characters or Unicode glyphs in the majority of cases. The pain can still be felt. Game was over and every player on the Raiders sideline was celebrating the victory only to be thrown back onto the field to win a game they had already won. More like the Raiders started getting worn down near the end of the game, couldnt stop the Patriots offense or convert key third downs when it mattered. Tom Brady enjoyed a phenomenal 20 seasons with the New England Patriots.With a tenure that long, the future Hall of Fame quarterback made countless memories with the franchise. Im sure its no consolation to the many Raiders fans around the country.. Jan. 19, 2002 is a date that will always live in infamy for Raiders coach Jon Gruden. While the Patriots were slightly out of field-goal range, Brady dropped back to pass, with no open receivers. (This was also the game in which Patriots quarterback Drew Bledsoe was injured by a hit from Mo Lewis, giving backup Tom Brady a chance to play.). Moreover, you Patsy fans will say let it go because it was years ago now, and yet, when the Tuck Rule happened, you all immediately called it justice for the Ben Dreith game. So if they rule its not a fumble then it should be ruled intentional grounding, with loss of that down, and ball placed at the spot of where the ball hits the ground. RAIDERS WILL BE BACK. Gruden made a reference to the Tuck Rule game in his introductory press conference upon his return to the Raiders, turning to former Raiders cornerback Charles Woodson and saying "Brady fumbled that ball". This solution also solves intentional grounding. Though honestly, if the Patriots win it all this year, Ill be way over that as well. Oakland kneels on the ball and kills the clock. Before you go spitting your bs about roughing the passer not being called, how about watching the replay again and again and again. It was a snowy day at Foxboro Stadium. Is the tuck rule, on the other hand, still in effect? It should have been inconclusive. ", "10 highlights from Jon Gruden's Raiders news conference, including 'Tom Brady fumbled' Reference", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tuck_Rule_Game&oldid=1142353824, Sports competitions in Foxborough, Massachusetts, January 2002 sports events in the United States, 21st century in Foxborough, Massachusetts, All Wikipedia articles written in American English, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 1 March 2023, at 23:18. I have a very simple solution to this absurd rule: When the defender hits the QB, if the ball hits the ground behind the line of scrimmage it's a fumble. What channel is the NFL Network on Time Warner Cable? I might be better off looking it up. lets 1)reinvent the rule book in the playoffs; 2) use the reinvention to OVERTURN the call on the field; . In explaining the reversal to the crowd, Coleman stated that the ball was moving forward at the time it was dropped. It was 2001. After two incomplete passes and a Brady scramble, Vinatieri came on to hit a game-tying 45-yard field goal through the snow with just 27 seconds left, a kick considered to have been one of the most difficult kicks in NFL history,[15] or the most "clutch-kick ever. Wikipedia's page for your 2001 season says the latter, but your image above shows home jerseys (week two). This is Bill Belichick were talking about; how many high-priced veterans have we seen him cast away from New England? raidernationbaby says: The Tuck Rule states, "When [an offensive] player is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his arm starts a forward pass, even if the player loses possession of the ball as he is attempting to tuck it back toward his body.". Whine about 1976 all you want Patriot fans. Keep the rule and let other teams feel the pain and sorrow I still feel from that cold wintry night 10 years ago You can't see the line of scrimmage on the field. We all know, as well, that the Patsies were cheating during that game, even if Roger Goodell is too afraid to admit it. This rule caused much controversy and was eventually abolished in 2013. Mike Martz proved to be a bad NFL head coach. Is, To avoid this problem, you may need to take iron with a small amount of food. Dont fix what aint broke. That Tuck Rule loss to the Patriots may have paralyzed your franchise. You must be logged in to leave a comment. In the aftermath of the Tuck Rule Game, Patriots head coach Bill Belichick told ESPN, "I knew what the ruling should have been because we had dealt with that play a little bit earlier in the year on the other side of it. Okay, now that this is figured out, what about spiking the football? 2013,What exactly does the tuck rule mean? On January 19, 2002, NFL history was changed forever. Patriots should have had 1st and 10 with an extra 15 yards. A backward pass = fumble. It's been nearly two decades since he walked out of a snow-covered Foxboro Stadium on the wrong end of a 16-13 overtime loss to the Patriots in the infamous "tuck rule" game during the 2001 . Brady's answer: probably not. Well it's not a rule any more so problem solved. Has no one here ever heard of the Competition Committee ? @tooz56 The tuck rule was called in Week 2 of an NFL regular season matchup on September 23, 2001, between the New England Patriots and the New York Jets. If the ball lands to the side of, or behind the QB, its a fumble / backwards pass. Dip up, Hyacinth bulbs contain oxalic acid, which is poisonous. How about game winning play by the defense. Raiders fans wont be happy until anti-incest laws are repealed. Thus, the original call was overturned, and New England maintained possession. This is consistent with most NFL rules as the league tries to make as many rules applications as possible a simple black-white decision (think helmet-to-helmet contact). Once the arm has moved forward with ball in hand, it is a pass attempt even after the arm has stopped moving forward (even voluntarily), until the time when the ball is tucked away, which means presumably not just in the QBs hand but protected by an arm. Instead of 4th and long with a little more than a minute remaining, it became first and goal. Kicker? [17], Up to his retirement at the end of the 2018 season, Coleman officiated 265 more NFL games, including 21 more involving the Patriots, but none involving the Raiders. Does the Patriots dynasty if you can call it that happen? Here's the official ruling, from section 22, article 2 of the NFL's rulebook. You need to educate yourself before posting here again. So if the quarterbacks hand is technically going backwards when the ball is being tucked, and the ball comes out, it should be a fumble. 20 years later, the Tuck Rule remains one of the biggest and most polarizing moments in NFL history. whats funny is this is the one rule i actually liked.. its funny because tom brady did it and it became a rule.. and now a fairly lesser popular Qb to say the least has the same thing happen in playoffs and it needs 2 be changed? You guys amaze me with your stupid rule book bs. In 2018, Gruden returned to coach the Raiders after a 9-year stint as a television analyst. No . Periera is wrong. Think it through a little bit more. mrconnors says: First of all, I agree, its time for the ruled to be changed! In March 2013, the NFL competition committee proposed that league owners eliminate the tuck rule. I am writing because harrisonhits2 has pissed me off with his idiotic post above. No more "was his arm going forward?" Since then, the match has been known as the 'Tuck Rule Game'. Plain and simple. Jerry Jones believes Cowboys can keep Zeke and Pollard, NFL combine measurements for DBs: Full list of results, Jerry Jones believes Prescott can progress like Brady, NFL combine 2023 results tracker: Top performances, NFL combine 2023: Winners and losers from DB workouts, Report: Pollard to get franchise tag if deal isn't done. WELL SAID theandy59 Im age 52 and watched that game myself Then the refs had the gall to add two unsportsman penalties, putting the ball on the five yard line, when in fact the game should have been over. It applied if the quarterback moved his arm forward in a passing motion, but then changed his mind and tried to keep hold of the football rather than attempt a pass. if 50 guys at the bar think it's a fumble, then it's a fumble. I agree to receive the "Pick Six Newsletter" and marketing communications, updates, special offers (including partner offers), and other information from CBS Sports and the Paramount family of companies. It was 10 years ago. So the rule was fine for 10 years but now you see the wrong it it???? In the closing moments of the fourth quarter and with the Pats trailing by three, Brady received the snap and stepped back into the pocket to pass. 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The Tuck Rule was a rule in the National Football League (NFL) that stated that if a quarterback lost control of the ball while trying to bring it back to his body (and it was not because he fumbled it), it would be called an incomplete pass, not a fumble. Tuck Rule AKA F@cked Rule because someone always gets F@cked as a result of this rule!! It completely cheated the Raiders out of a title run. Because I find it laughable to be told let it go by New England fans. Who cares if they throw out the rule or not. Bad rule. His arm was going forward, he saw the pressure and tried to pull it back and take the hit. I still say he had a personal stake in a Raider victory. February 1, 2022 8:06 am PT. Watch the replay!He never threw the ball. It stated: NFL Rule 3, Section 22, Article 2, Note 2. QBs dont deserve a free pass. Agree the play alone didnt lose the game for the Raiders, but the emotional swing in the game after that call was reversed was obvious. While I'm not arguing with you, but I know the general thing now is that if there's not enough evidence but only a sliver of evidence to overturn it, they won't. Impossible. While it appeared that Brady had tucked the ball back towards his body, the officials were not sure and ruled it a fumble so they could review the play. worst call in history of sports. And as I said in my earlier post, the Pats lost a game earlier that year against the Jets I believe it was because of the tuck rule being called in their favor. The rule, applied to game play, makes absolutely no sense. st mary's academy paducah, ky how many times has the tuck rule been called The 2,957 yards rushing was the fifth-highest total in NFL history at the time. Were things run differently back then? An existing rule was strengthened as a result of this. Football legend Tom Brady has admitted that his career could have gone very differently if it wasn't for a ruling which went his way in 2002. A source told Ian Rapoport on Wednesday that the elimination of the "Tuck Rule" passed overwhelmingly at the NFL Annual Meeting in Phoenix. Terry Kirby returned the ensuing kickoff 22 yards to the Oakland 37-yard line and the Raiders produced a 10-play, 43-yard drive to score on a 38-yard field goal from Sebastian Janikowski. ", 2020 THE SUN, US, INC. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED | TERMS OF USE | PRIVACY | YOUR AD CHOICES | SITEMAP, The 'tuck rule' became famous after a New England vs Oakland showdown in 2002, Brady in action during snowy conditions at what became known as the 'Tuck Rule Game'. The end of Tom Brady's long career arrived Tuesday as the seven-time Super Bowl champion announced his retirement from the NFL after 22 years. Brady began a passing motion, but then ceased, before tucking the ball with his left hand. Please check the opt-in box to acknowledge that you would like to subscribe. The Tuck Rule had come full circle. Blame the ones that make the rules- Perreira does a great job explaining the stupid a$$ sh!t. Only one of the Patriots 12 balls was underinflated by two pounds, according to the report. at Foxboro Stadium, Foxborough, Massachusetts. Uhh, I do believe it does make sense for the QB to be in the act of passing for it to be ruled an incomplete pass. Pulling the ball back is not passing and should be no different then a running back not securing the ball and getting it stripped away. It's the way it's worded.