The Counselors who had no degrees were simply misfits from society who had no where else to go, One of tre counselors had gone through the program himself and was offered a job with no degree. I would love to hear from you .a sort of closure or new beginning j.columbus1982@gmail.com take care! And eventually to Jamaica. Did you know my son, Zach? The person I spoke with sold me the school. I know alot of crazy shit happened in both of those places. Try to put me in the hobbit now. I dont remember alot of peoples names from then but I do remember jay and Eugene and gabe. Hell Yeah. I was also afraid of having to celebrate my sixteenth birthday there, of finishing high school in another state, of having nothing when I finally got out. I had nightmares for years anxiously trying to escape the place I call hell. Julie: Their website recommended that parents watch the movie Thirteen to understand what horrible things their teenagers are doing. I hope he hires a lawyer soon. Spring creeks offer the ultimate challenge in the fly fishing world. That still haunts me that maybe if I was there I could have prevented it. In 2006 Spring Creek Lodge was entangled in yet another lawsuit, this time on behalf of 353 plaintiffs, all citing multiple abuses and fraud at the WWASP program and various affiliates. Then I remember Cameron trying to talk to you in the Hungry Horse and realizing you didnt understand English very well, and I was like, holy shit. What was Karleys last name? I was forced to help build where most of you lived. Whats up buddy, Courage was formed after I had arrived in that hell hole. Anyway, I just started his book because I have a little cousin well call D he is 11 years old and showing signs of being a sociopath. I was in excell family. Good job!!! After reading all this, I dont want to hear any of Mr. Your story of me running away and stealing a boat was true but that was my first attempt. Finally after building up enough negative points I pretty much spent my days in worksheets or the hobbit where in the former u were forced to sit on a wooden box all day in a stall and the latter was basically a makeshift Guantanamo cell with a bloody carpeted piece of plywood to sleep on and two meals of a kidney bean burrito each day. im no saint by any standards, but the hell that was spring creek definitely left its dark mark on my soul. With an extensive variety of stream habitats, these waters present challenges worthy of the most dedicated trout anglers. I heard it improved as time went on, but even those who spent time there in the last days, after it had been exposed as a torture facility have my pity for having to experience such things as went on. Whenever we went outside we had to march around heel-toe and in sync in lines. Must have been on the winter event with you. We were in incredible shape at this point being near 16 and they had given us real camp food again since we werent in the desert. Cleveland National Forest encompasses 460,000 acres (720 sq mi (1,900 km 2)), mostly of chaparral, with a few riparian areas. I did not attend this school and Im very thankful for that. I turned 18 and had my graduation ceremony at the lodge. Rivers such as the Big Hole, Ruby and Jefferson can all be reached within minutes of the ranch, and the Madison is a 1-hour drive. I hope you are all healing. They fuckng made me live in the tpee in the winter for like 2 weeks. Money trap, most definetely. That was Eugene, or am I trippin? There was so much abuse, manipulation and borderline child abuse/molestation going on. I sort of learned how to play the game in my own way, but my friends had a much harder time than I did, I think. We are aware of Youth Foundation, and their staffs seedy past But I didnt know they owed so much money. I also realized that my daughter was reacting to the way our lives were. Luckily I was 17 at my time of imprisonment and only had 10 1/2 months to wait out till my 18th birthday. a sense of belonging somewhere, a warm home. After about 15 minutes, I went in to see what was taking her so long. Bamandah@gmail.com. I was in quest I believe in 2000 2001. I remember gravel pit and how fresh and revived I felt afterwords. The Creek Spring Creek Campground & Trout Ranch Family Fun & Relaxation 257 Main Boulder Road (Hwy 298 S Mi 2.5 ) Big Timber, MT 59011 I www.springcreekcampground.com Reservations: 406-932-4387 Sweet. Some birds arent meant to be caged. It truly breaks my heart that these programs have had that kind of power, to drive children into such sorrow that they see no way out. That was all the best craziest I can say right now or Ill be typing for atleast a week. Then got transferred to the ranch. I packed a few books for the road and got into a car with two ex-cops. I repressed memories about my transport and time at SCL for years. I spent alot of time in worksheets for looking at girls. Im a little hidden so it might be hard to find me. The Pullans were alsoinvolvedin Camas Ranch, an apparent attempt to remake a portion of the facility into an 18+ program, which failed. All the buildings are still there. I was in Innocence at that time. Id love to find more of you and preferably more optimistic but I fully understand if bad experiences happened. My parents never paid attention to me much less tried to listen. Instead of standing in formation, Id sit down and start a conversation considering I stopped caring in the least about points. It sucked when you had to lug that thing around. I remember you and can remember your love of old classic muscle cars. Mr. Dave was good people. Im frankly embarrassed that I even passed the first one. in a week and half hes your therapist. Nhn Nevada Spring Creek Rnch last sold on April 08, 2022 for $2,500,000. Evil peopleit was the first time I encountered truly evil adults who practiced trickery and manipulation to maintain a yoke of control upon their wayward little piggy banks. We were lucky to have cool ,and chill family fathers that would let us do whatever, as long as we were not to loud and no one found out, Hey Travis this is Mathew Patterson from respect I was there in 1999 to 2000 and went home at Christmas. I had access to everyones files and some of the pictures of self mutilation that the kids did to themselves as a result of staff was disturbing. There have been a disproportionate amount of suicides and other tragedies endured by wwasp detainees. You could tell this was just a laid-off lumberjack who needed the health insurance. Anyway, Im doing good. I lived in the 18 trailer for a good bit of the entire program and also spent a few months living in the upper level cabins just off campus. Travis, what family were you in. I stumbled upon this page while looking for a way to get my transcripts I even found a post my mother Julie made in 2013. The mental torture they put you through was insane. I suddenly became a level 5 what a joke. We had to have been at SCC together at the same time, I mean, everything you said in your post was perfect. They were found and brought back a few days later, and were beaten within an inch of their lives. Meeting someone like that randomly is like seeing a zebra in a grocery store. Options include diverse lodging packages, camping trips, wilderness horse pack expeditions, day trips and world wide travel. This program truly DID open my eyes to how FOOLISH and STUPID i was acting as a teenager. The place was crazy for sure and did my share of time in worksheets and whatever the hell that place was where you had to lay on the concrete all day.. but honestly I didnt think it was life scarring. Chelsie, you are right about not remembering everything clearly. Galt Ranch. 450 Beaver Creek West Drive , Big Sky, MT, 59730, Gallatin County DRAMATICALLY REDUCED! Let me start by saying I would NEVER send my child(ren) away. and Brock and Scottand Damon (?) i cant find a some others tho, so if you remember me, Janna Bottsford, hit me up on FB. I think losing all freedom and seeing horrors perpetrated by adults on childrenadults who you have to call your family father etc. Im looking for a friend name Tyler he from Montana I think. Most who praise these places are shills who profited off of it. If my child ever reads this I want her to know that I am sorry. I feel for you. I was led to believe that I was going on a vacation with my Mom to Park Cities, Utah. Raise awareness of the true nature of WWASP Programs, to advocate for those still being held in Troubled Teen programs, and to provide validation and support to survivors of WWASP programs. You truly were my only friend j could trust there. I was hoping theyd let me talk to my mom if I made it serious enough and instead they sent me to the town doctor who said he would need to cauterize my nose because it wouldnt stop bleeding. Dont remember fight with dignity. Information related to travelling to Montana: which airports to fly into, major towns, etc. I was the only guy there from Alaska. These folks eventually kicked me out, wanna know where they sent me? And of course, because I was Jakes closest friend, I caught the most shit over their escape for withholding information I denied the truth to staff. I hope the girls in my family are alright. These parents who allow their children to stay in these abusive, disreputable programs should be ashamed in my opinion as these facilities are child abuse by proxy. Jake was the guy that told me: uh you wont make it if you run unless you want to hide under a truck for six months. She always had that resting b#*!ch face. Anon, Undated I truly feel that the abuse and neglect allegations were kids writing their mommies trying to get them to bring theme home. Needless to say, he gave Steve hell! I dont know if anyone still checks this site but if so, please let me know if you were in Charity in 2005. Hey. We were all coming from Sky View Christian Academy, which was a WWASP program in Hawthorne, NV that was forced to close because of a handful of lawsuits/complaints. We had the worst reputation which i somewhat enjoyed. You could have done something like reported the place but you didnt. Its teenagers going through different stages of life trying to figure shit out. E thats just his name and he cant hang you got to get out the game!!!! I had only ditched school a couple times and got into a few fights at school for kids picking on me and when i was sent there i learned so many things its like i couldnt wait to go home and become a cool kid and do all the things i heard in stories told by 15 to 18 year olds. My parents grew wary of them after a few phone calls and a letter I sent to my father using codes and I was pulled after about 7 months of intense madness of a true American teenie gulag. But after they saw that he and I wwerent causing iasues, they let us interact and hang out at free time which is when most jumpings occured. Nelson's Spring Creek is a premier fly fishing destination in Montana and is located on our ranch 10 miles south of the town of Livingston, Montana in Paradise Valley, just 40 minutes from Yellowstone National Park. I was in innocence. On my survival our only girl Amanda wrecked her knee, like day 1 in Flagstaff so they shipped her out and apparently she stayed at he upper/main/school campus I enjoyed reading through all of these comments because it has been a long time since I have connected with the memories of this place. Attn to all kids that were there after 2000YOU HAD IT EASY!! I was fourteen. I was put on a plane to Arizona in December and I ended up being forced marched through the canyon country for 3 weeks. At first I think its a family dispute but thought it was odd (two white women chasing a young hispanic girl) As I passed by them with my truck I pay attention to every detail I can. They tried to restrain me, prevent me from sleeping, and other methods of unpleasantness. There is no experience more thrilling than catching big, wild fish in a solitary setting. Please feel free to contact me at keelingkasey@gmail.com. I was there winter session. I make the call on the radio to let her cross and not approach her. This area is renowned for its stunning vistas, including the towering Tobacco Root, Ruby, Highlands and Pioneer mountain ranges. One day they will have to answer for the things they did. I was in Wisdom right when i got there in July 1998, I soon transfered to Courage Family due to a letter I wrote home. That Im too old to go, but still end up there. Can you give me more info?? Updated January 2023: By searching, you agree to the Terms of Use, andPrivacy Policy. I have ptsd, severe anxiety, insomnia, intermittent explosive disorder andb severe depression and i believe its all from there. They finally kicked me out but told my family it was because I wouldnt stop making myself throw up..which is true..but i think that mini riot pushed them over the edge. I was one of the only black people in Spring Creek Lodge. So I began to wkrk my way out. The guides wouldnt let anyone help me. It was a nightmare, but wear your survival with pride. I was like a family hero after that. Were you a student there Diana? I would love to chat with you!!! He was from cali and on probation (my running partner) and I live in ft lauderdale florida so he left me in vegas. It's nestled between the Absaroka and Gallatin Mountain ranges providing not only world class fishing, but also unrivaled breathtaking views. I remember running after at least 3 Runners, pssssh I didnt care if they got away, 99% of us were in it for the dinner in town as a thank you. REDFIN and all REDFIN variants, TITLE FORWARD, WALK SCORE, and the R logos, are trademarks of Redfin Corporation, registered or pending in the USPTO. So I was laying in the back of the pick up with a blanket covering me thinking I got a ride out of there. Nelson's Spring Creek is approximately 3/4 miles in length. He beat a staff up with a vacuum tube if I recall correctlyinsanity breeds insane behavior if you ask me. But if you think its all your child that has the issues. It has taken a long time to search for this site but Im glad I did. Only white cotton undergarments from now on. I understand that being given level 5 may have seemed like such a dope reward for hardly having to work for it but looking back on it now I just think what a joke the whole moving up thing was. I remember the pain I felt when the letters started saying he liked it there and the place was where he belonged. Copyright 2012-2021 WWASPSurvivors.com - ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Did I fimd it Funny that only cute girls got to Work at Camerons and Chaffins Home? The only thing that I can think of that made it better on you that was that were there as a adult and they knew you could legally leave on your own. but there aint no 2 ways about it. This is the shit that bugged me out about this place you had kids trying to be super cops to other kids. They just didnt know how to communicate with me and I didnt know how to communicate with them. Please let us know how we can help. I did survival challenger in Montana. These technical fisheries originate from underground aquifers and flow cold and clear year round. THANK YOU!!! It amazes me that I even still remember this shit. Then dinner I think then back to your dorm for quiet time for a little bit. Thank you all for keeping this info flowing. I stole a sharp kitchen knife for protection. This exceptional fishery supports a wild population of brown, cutthroat and rainbow trout in its approximately 3-mile length. The pit with Tom Sawyer and huckleberry Finn. I cant believe after all we have been through we now have to deal with this And to everyone thats been through that crazy ass place we are all one big disfuntional family for it. No one deserved that treatment and lies. The acreage is easily accessible from a well-maintained set of roads, and the ranch infrastructure is in outstanding shape. If everyone who has a bone to pick with these people do so in a mature manner, and I have been guilty of getting pissed off when finding out about the fates of the Cory Murphys and Josh Lamberts of the world, this place and others like it can have a positive impact. If you went to Spring Creek Lodge you would know the truth. isnt it funny how some guy would be support staff one day and then hes your teacher the next day. I will be looking into this further and hope the best for Brandy. Anonymous, 2001 If u didnt get anything out of the program its your own doing. Cameron became my new guardian and made that perfectly clear when I got there. It was never a picnic for you guys. Rem me? I remember her pulling over at what I thought was a Motel 6 to ask for directions. Its cold and going to be colder tonight. My advice when dealing with your daughter on this subject would be to try to sit down and talk to her. Whats up everyone. Hello!!!!! My name is Devin, and I was in Integrity family in 2000. Im not trying to condemn anyone. All this while having this crackpot therapy shoved down our throats whether we liked it or not. Funny name to give considering that serenity was the farthest thing from describing this place. I miss the people that were there I miss tge honor among. That place ruined me. MAILING ADDRESS 101 Nelson's Spring Creek Rd. They bilked millions of dollars from our parents, put us spoliled little brats through a lot of unnecessary trauma, and when we came home out of our minds from sensory deprivation and seminars they blamed the parents they had just finished bilking for not following program protocol. She just went through trying to get her transcripts with no luck. Let them grow through there phases in life. Lol being on the PR committee got to go to baseball games and fairs. Even if we accepted your premise, the staff at these programs never received the kind of training necessary to properly make any kind of decisions on restraint of any kind (as evidenced by the bodyslamming, which is definitely NOT a medically-approved form of intervention) nor to offer any sort of treatment at all, which is probably why they didnt offer any in actuality. I remember Natalie Carson making each girl feel as pretty as her. He used to love to do push ups. NOBODY INTERVEINED AND SHE JUST SHARED SOME VERY SERIOUS SHIT. He was a good friend to me and if it wasnt for him I might not have made it out that place. I was there in 97 when there were just a few of us. Dan Peart is Robert Browning Litchfields brother-in-law. There I was to spend the next year and a half. Oh and Steve came out of the woods from a road behind the girls dorm. Can you imagine what a disaster that wouldve been. All the buildings are still there. I stole a car twice, escaped, robbed a liquor with a stolen car and brought tobacco back to feed the masses. What a wild ride! It was quite an adventure. I was in and out of jail until my late 20s until i got my shit together and now have a family and own a business. I have no doubt that if he had not been subjected to the types of violence we all experienced in the programs, he wouldnt be in his current predicament. I was dropped of at a homeless shelter on my 18th b-day. Its really disheartening to hear about the shared hopelessness we all felt. Overall spring creek sucked but it wasnt a bad abusive place when I was there like everyone else has said atleast not in my experience lmao. Not another sheep in one of your workshops. Chelsey, Susan I was in springcreek from 1999to 2000. Attended in 2004 part of unity, this place had a major affect on his life just curious if anyone remembers him or could help me understand if he went through anything that maybe he doesnt want to share.. I was in the excel family. I was not going home. I finally did quit in Sept. of 2004, a month before Karlye committed suicide. Dont give up on your kids. Absolutely NO WAY he didnt know what went on there; Im surprised he admitted that in his book (hes actually proud of it), after reading about all the law suits, suicides, murder, rape, assault, and so on that Spring Creek has been accused of over the years. thus the difficulty. It was attached to another dorm by a door, but we werent allowed to talk to the girls living there. Holy shit I cant believe I found this page. I cannot imagine the betrayal you kids felt, having your parents trick and abandon you. Then I thought about the wild animals and the below 30 temps at night. SCL wasclosed in 2009 after a dramatic drop in enrollment and a failed attempt to convert part of the facility into an 18+ program called Camas Ranch. I remember when Cameron let me babysit his kids and how much trust he had in me. Vacant land located at Copper Corbin Rd, Jefferson City, MT 59638 sold on Aug 31, 2021. Gavin! He was one of my best friends! In a way we are kind of like people who have been through any sort of trauma and didnt seek help. REDFIN IS COMMITTED TO AND ABIDES BY THE FAIR HOUSING ACT AND EQUAL OPPORTUNITY ACT. Was there some loop hole where they forced you to stay? Its productive waters located in the heart of Paradise Valley draw anglers from far and wide. if so i remember when they moved him.. Punishments were abnormal and out of place. The Ranch includes 4,417 total acres, of which 3,777 . I heard you had a baby a while back! 2004 SCL was investigated concerning the death of a 17 year old girl by The [] Everyone in life has a battle or two in lifewe were mostly all troubled kids Wwasps may not even be as evil as they seem to be at a glance or gaze, but just a bunch of misguided idiots without any qualifications to be in charge of children. Other schools like it have also been shut down for similar reasons including suicide/attempted suicide of the students and lawsuits thanks to allegations of child abuse and neglect/ human rights violations. She is lucky to have a mother who accepts what happened there. Chaffin nor Dana didnt have the balls to drop me from lvl 6 when they found out about the rampant cheat in their successful school program. It would be nice to talk, Grant~ I just read your post Grant was in the van haha sup fool. If u want to call me since I am not much into computers please feel free. It keeps getting worse and worse. Tc excel family. Black cloud for 2 weeks before PC3 for that little stunt. Mariam, I am so sorry to hear about kareem! Punched Cliff in his fuckin face. www.ranchflip.com is using a security service for protection against online attacks. Hey, I was at Spring Creek Community in 1988 as this place was evolving into the nightmare scenario it ended up being. And second, you really should look up the people you are defending, and weigh positive praises of the wwasps facilities against the evidence against them: I.e deaths, multiple civil and criminal complaints, govt mandated closures etc. Rebecca, i was part of that naked girls running. The Pullansserved as owners and administrators of the SCL facility until 2009, when the school was closed. Anyway, just be good man, and if you ever want to, you know how to get ahold of me. By accepting our use of cookies, your data will be aggregated with all other user data. I dont know what went on in Samoa, but I know at Spring Creek he was considered one of the less sadistic members of the junior staff and didnt let them brain wash him completely which is quite a fete. I am sick reading all of these comments. I met some awesome people that made it a tiny bit easier.. It was a long long time ago and I am 44 now and I was 16 then. Spring Creek Ranch is located on a wildlife sanctuary almost 1,000 feet above the town of Jackson and has the most spectacular views of the Teton Mountain Range, including Spring Creek Lodge - North Patagonia Ive blocked so much out, I may be wrong on the names. The combination of abundant food options and gin clear waters produce conditions that require stealth and match the hatch presentation. They picked me up in the middle of the day. I think I remember Chelsea. Im just a MOM and a believer, one who loves her children more than life itself and who is even more inspired after hearing your stories to do everything in her power to show her teen daughter love, grace, empathy, forgiveness, and direction, so she can go out into the world with hope, happiness, and unlimited opportunity. During that hour Cameron and someone else came in the bathroom looking for me and there was a person in one of the stalls a couple doors down from mine lol. This was accomplished mainly by talking. Read about average temperatures and weather patterns month by month. Because when I got home from spring Creek I lost a huge part of my identity I didnt have that free spirit that I had I didnt really fit in with my lifelong friends in the same way. I was there 2007. If you are the same person doing the same thing with the same bad attitude as before you qent to the program wake up! Main water features of Lewistown Area include Crystal Lake, Judith River, Missouri River, Big Spring Creek, Warm Spring Creek, and Ft. Peck Lake. Ranch real estate in the beautiful state of Montana can be purchased near Big Sky, Bozeman, Livingston, Big Timber and Whitefish. If you were there with me or know anyone from that time; staff or student, contact me. John Harrigal.only one man ever could be the hairy girl. Fishing on Armstrong is good all year round. I could write a book about this and there are many many crazy situations that were just sick in the head that I could tell you about. Was there march 31 2002 july 1, 2004. Public humiliation and reliving trauma seemed to be their weapon in manipulation. Spring Creek Campground - Rv Park - Big Timber, Montana "Come experience a piece of riverfront paradise in Big Timber, Montana". Do you know how I can find the old parent handbook from Spring Creek Lodge Academy? Cry me a fuking river you unaccountable over sensative pussies! What an awesome lady. Did it do anything but give parents an excuse to dump their children on someone else? I started out as night staff and then switched over to day staff. Im from Florida so I didnt go out there with any warm clothes.so I believe my mom sent her like 300 bucks to buy me a jacket. There is a good population of Ring-necked pheasant for the avid upland bird hunter, as well as a resident Whitetail deer herd that is capable of producing true trophy bucks in the 130-180 class.